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		<title>By: RAT - Uttaruk.com &#187; Let Tarantino do Tarantinoâ€¦ Please!</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAT - Uttaruk.com &#187; Let Tarantino do Tarantinoâ€¦ Please!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All I can say is that this script GOES BACK to an earlier post, Itâ€™s in the starsâ€¦ The scriptâ€™s dialogue was enough to get some pretty oustanding talent on board but it also goes to show you that you still need a solid structure along with some great characters to keep people in the seats. Unfortunately, I heard a lot of dissatisfied banter as I stood in line waiting to get out of the theaterâ€¦ A few younger people enjoyed it but the older audiences just werenâ€™t buying it. We shall see if the magic ticket-buying demographic can save itâ€¦ I heard it only cost about $25 Mil to make so it only needs about three more half-way decent weekends of box officeâ€¦ LOL. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All I can say is that this script GOES BACK to an earlier post, Itâ€™s in the starsâ€¦ The scriptâ€™s dialogue was enough to get some pretty oustanding talent on board but it also goes to show you that you still need a solid structure along with some great characters to keep people in the seats. Unfortunately, I heard a lot of dissatisfied banter as I stood in line waiting to get out of the theaterâ€¦ A few younger people enjoyed it but the older audiences just werenâ€™t buying it. We shall see if the magic ticket-buying demographic can save itâ€¦ I heard it only cost about $25 Mil to make so it only needs about three more half-way decent weekends of box officeâ€¦ LOL. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Let Tarantino do Tarantino&#8230; Please! &#187; The Unknown Screenwriter - a screenwriting blog featuring screenwriting tips, tricks, rants, and observations...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let Tarantino do Tarantino&#8230; Please! &#187; The Unknown Screenwriter - a screenwriting blog featuring screenwriting tips, tricks, rants, and observations...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All I can say is that this script GOES BACK to an earlier post, It&#8217;s in the stars&#8230; The script&#8217;s dialogue was enough to get some pretty oustanding talent on board but it also goes to show you that you still need a solid structure along with some great characters to keep people in the seats. Unfortunately, I heard a lot of dissatisfied banter as I stood in line waiting to get out of the theater&#8230; A few younger people enjoyed it but the older audiences just weren&#8217;t buying it. We shall see if the magic ticket-buying demographic can save it&#8230; I heard it only cost about $25 Mil to make so it only needs about three more half-way decent weekends of box office&#8230; LOL. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All I can say is that this script GOES BACK to an earlier post, It&#8217;s in the stars&#8230; The script&#8217;s dialogue was enough to get some pretty oustanding talent on board but it also goes to show you that you still need a solid structure along with some great characters to keep people in the seats. Unfortunately, I heard a lot of dissatisfied banter as I stood in line waiting to get out of the theater&#8230; A few younger people enjoyed it but the older audiences just weren&#8217;t buying it. We shall see if the magic ticket-buying demographic can save it&#8230; I heard it only cost about $25 Mil to make so it only needs about three more half-way decent weekends of box office&#8230; LOL. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, thanks. A couple of actors I know have said that they&#039;re always interested in scripts that allow them to do things they haven&#039;t done before or that stretch them in some way. And at a talk I went to ages ago at the RSC, the three actors on stage (who played Hamlet, Ophelia, and Reynaldo) were asked &quot;what&#039;s the play about?&quot; - the guy playing Reynaldo said, &quot;well, its about this young guy at the Danish Court called Reynaldo&quot;. Got big laughs from the audience, but essentially he was saying that each character needs to be substantial enough for them to see themselves as the centre of the story. Good advice for the more minor characters, I&#039;ve always thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, thanks. A couple of actors I know have said that they&#8217;re always interested in scripts that allow them to do things they haven&#8217;t done before or that stretch them in some way. And at a talk I went to ages ago at the RSC, the three actors on stage (who played Hamlet, Ophelia, and Reynaldo) were asked &#8220;what&#8217;s the play about?&#8221; &#8211; the guy playing Reynaldo said, &#8220;well, its about this young guy at the Danish Court called Reynaldo&#8221;. Got big laughs from the audience, but essentially he was saying that each character needs to be substantial enough for them to see themselves as the centre of the story. Good advice for the more minor characters, I&#8217;ve always thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lost a deal recently because of this exact thing.  Someone loved my characters. Raved about them, actually. Except one.  My protagonist.

I am redrafting the story.  It was a &quot;brooding hero&quot; type thing so I am going to reel in the brooding a bit and see what happens. It won&#039;t change the theme of the script but it will heighten the &quot;energy&quot; of the protagonist.

I&#039;ll see where it takes me, I guess.  This craft is always such an adventure. I love it.

Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lost a deal recently because of this exact thing.  Someone loved my characters. Raved about them, actually. Except one.  My protagonist.</p>
<p>I am redrafting the story.  It was a &#8220;brooding hero&#8221; type thing so I am going to reel in the brooding a bit and see what happens. It won&#8217;t change the theme of the script but it will heighten the &#8220;energy&#8221; of the protagonist.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see where it takes me, I guess.  This craft is always such an adventure. I love it.</p>
<p>Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Hader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unk,

We used the &quot;playing against type&quot; infomercial card in a small way with our Indie film Dead Horse. Daniel Von Bargen (Lords Of Illusion, Seinfeld, Basic Instinct, O&#039; Brother Where Art Thou, et al) was drawn by the character, who&#039;s in nearly every scene. His character is also not a cop, general, or any other power figure type -- all of which Daniel has played often. His character in our dark comedy is an alcoholic/manic-depressive hell bent on killing his married girlfriend&#039;s husband.

So that&#039;s another way of attacking the actors out there - come up with material for them they&#039;d normally never play. It may attract them...especially if you&#039;re working in the Indie world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unk,</p>
<p>We used the &#8220;playing against type&#8221; infomercial card in a small way with our Indie film Dead Horse. Daniel Von Bargen (Lords Of Illusion, Seinfeld, Basic Instinct, O&#8217; Brother Where Art Thou, et al) was drawn by the character, who&#8217;s in nearly every scene. His character is also not a cop, general, or any other power figure type &#8212; all of which Daniel has played often. His character in our dark comedy is an alcoholic/manic-depressive hell bent on killing his married girlfriend&#8217;s husband.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s another way of attacking the actors out there &#8211; come up with material for them they&#8217;d normally never play. It may attract them&#8230;especially if you&#8217;re working in the Indie world.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all actors are stupid.

So a lot of them can see beyond line counts and how many scenes they are in.

What they are looking for are characters which are going to be memorable.

Writing memorable characters is more about having people who have believable objectives, who have secrets which create subtext, characters who are forced into situations that leave them emotionally vulnerable.

When you&#039;re thinking about writing great parts for actors it is better to think about scripts like Crash, rather than looking to genre movies.

If you can give the actor a part that reduces the audience to tears, because it is so poignant, so ironic, then you&#039;ll be fighting the stars off with sticks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all actors are stupid.</p>
<p>So a lot of them can see beyond line counts and how many scenes they are in.</p>
<p>What they are looking for are characters which are going to be memorable.</p>
<p>Writing memorable characters is more about having people who have believable objectives, who have secrets which create subtext, characters who are forced into situations that leave them emotionally vulnerable.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re thinking about writing great parts for actors it is better to think about scripts like Crash, rather than looking to genre movies.</p>
<p>If you can give the actor a part that reduces the audience to tears, because it is so poignant, so ironic, then you&#8217;ll be fighting the stars off with sticks.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of comments.

1) My first screenwriting teacher told me, &quot;imagine Jack Nicholson is playing your lead.&quot; By that, she meant that he&#039;s going to need to be in just about every scene - not all - but most. And the part has to have some meat. No cardboard characters need apply.

2) I love Aaron Sorkin&#039;s stuff and, by and large, all his characters are smart. There&#039;s plenty of funny in his writing, but there are no dumb people. It plays into what Jane Espenson had once said about comedy. That there are characters who are intentionally funny and characters who are unintentionally funny.

An interesting example of a smart funny character could be Bluto from Animal House. All that he does is intentional. The opposite is Clark Griswold from National Lampoon&#039;s vacation. The majority of the humor is derived from the mistakes he makes unintentionally. Both are funny, but it determines what kind of character you create.

Although it seems off-topic, I use it as an example of what makes characters engaging and interesting to read or watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of comments.</p>
<p>1) My first screenwriting teacher told me, &#8220;imagine Jack Nicholson is playing your lead.&#8221; By that, she meant that he&#8217;s going to need to be in just about every scene &#8211; not all &#8211; but most. And the part has to have some meat. No cardboard characters need apply.</p>
<p>2) I love Aaron Sorkin&#8217;s stuff and, by and large, all his characters are smart. There&#8217;s plenty of funny in his writing, but there are no dumb people. It plays into what Jane Espenson had once said about comedy. That there are characters who are intentionally funny and characters who are unintentionally funny.</p>
<p>An interesting example of a smart funny character could be Bluto from Animal House. All that he does is intentional. The opposite is Clark Griswold from National Lampoon&#8217;s vacation. The majority of the humor is derived from the mistakes he makes unintentionally. Both are funny, but it determines what kind of character you create.</p>
<p>Although it seems off-topic, I use it as an example of what makes characters engaging and interesting to read or watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Mystery Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mystery Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 23:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?  Character arcs?  Hehehe...

I once had a (semi-popular) actor tell me, &quot;I don&#039;t want to be the guy who learns. I want to be the guy who KNOWS.&quot;

Great post, man.

-MM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?  Character arcs?  Hehehe&#8230;</p>
<p>I once had a (semi-popular) actor tell me, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to be the guy who learns. I want to be the guy who KNOWS.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great post, man.</p>
<p>-MM</p>
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		<title>By: emily blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>emily blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I went to do a table reading of my spec pilot that thought entered my head a bunch. I was inviting all my actor friends over to read a script as a big favor because they all had more important stuff to do, so I wanted to make it worth their while. Turns out, the script needed more work anyway so I cancelled the table reading, but it got me thinking of scripts in a new way.

Nobody wants to play a boring part. So now when I write a part I always think of whether or not I&#039;d want one of my friends in the role, then try to find a way to make it good without interrupting the momentum of a story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I went to do a table reading of my spec pilot that thought entered my head a bunch. I was inviting all my actor friends over to read a script as a big favor because they all had more important stuff to do, so I wanted to make it worth their while. Turns out, the script needed more work anyway so I cancelled the table reading, but it got me thinking of scripts in a new way.</p>
<p>Nobody wants to play a boring part. So now when I write a part I always think of whether or not I&#8217;d want one of my friends in the role, then try to find a way to make it good without interrupting the momentum of a story.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Shipley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Shipley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post got me thinking of great showcase scripts... the one that always comes to mind for me is Taxi Driver. DeNiro is in nearly every scene in that film, and it shows a gradual change in psyche, from from wierdo loner to wierdo loner who attempts to assassinate a presidential candidate and shoots up a whore house.

Even that film had a few scenes without the lead, with a couple featuring Harvey Kietel and Jodie Foster as well as Albert Brooks and Cybil Sheperd.

&quot;How &#039;bout this?  WE aren&#039;t happy with the buttons.  WE aren&#039;t paying for the buttons.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post got me thinking of great showcase scripts&#8230; the one that always comes to mind for me is Taxi Driver. DeNiro is in nearly every scene in that film, and it shows a gradual change in psyche, from from wierdo loner to wierdo loner who attempts to assassinate a presidential candidate and shoots up a whore house.</p>
<p>Even that film had a few scenes without the lead, with a couple featuring Harvey Kietel and Jodie Foster as well as Albert Brooks and Cybil Sheperd.</p>
<p>&#8220;How &#8217;bout this?  WE aren&#8217;t happy with the buttons.  WE aren&#8217;t paying for the buttons.&#8221;</p>
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