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		<title>By: Edge</title>
		<link>http://www.unknownscreenwriter.com/character-theme-plot-part-2/screenwriting/2008/12/09/comment-page-1/#comment-37379</link>
		<dc:creator>Edge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree. Theme is a question more than a statement. How many films have you watched and then quickly forgotten about? Many, I bet, and I also bet that these are preachy stories that morraly dictate how humanity should behave? What about the films you&#039;ve watched and thought about for days, maybe even weeks after, unable to get out of your head. These are fewer, but better, far more sophisticated beauties because they don&#039;t preach; they simply ask a central thematic question and allow the audience to ponder what they think is the answer. Every element of writing, on all levels including theme, should invite the audience to participate, to think and consider, atherwise where&#039;s the fun in sitting braindead in the cinema?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree. Theme is a question more than a statement. How many films have you watched and then quickly forgotten about? Many, I bet, and I also bet that these are preachy stories that morraly dictate how humanity should behave? What about the films you&#8217;ve watched and thought about for days, maybe even weeks after, unable to get out of your head. These are fewer, but better, far more sophisticated beauties because they don&#8217;t preach; they simply ask a central thematic question and allow the audience to ponder what they think is the answer. Every element of writing, on all levels including theme, should invite the audience to participate, to think and consider, atherwise where&#8217;s the fun in sitting braindead in the cinema?</p>
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		<title>By: Blogging Is Stupid &#171; The Writer&#8217;s Review</title>
		<link>http://www.unknownscreenwriter.com/character-theme-plot-part-2/screenwriting/2008/12/09/comment-page-1/#comment-37073</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogging Is Stupid &#171; The Writer&#8217;s Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is&#160;Stupid  UNK&#8217;s fabulous post on Theme has, at my hands (at least in part), deteriorated into a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is&nbsp;Stupid  UNK&#8217;s fabulous post on Theme has, at my hands (at least in part), deteriorated into a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christian H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense. It&#039;s always good to study the opinions of others. It just seemed that the discourse kind of went off kilter. You&#039;re a regular here with creds. Dismiss it.

Wait that wasn&#039;t funny?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense. It&#8217;s always good to study the opinions of others. It just seemed that the discourse kind of went off kilter. You&#8217;re a regular here with creds. Dismiss it.</p>
<p>Wait that wasn&#8217;t funny?</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nobody knows anything, then everyone should shut up... which works for me... and by extension anyone trying to sell that nothing should be horse whipped... which also works for me. 

And if the only people who know anything are the audience, why are you reading a blog by an industry professional?

Now, you take a deep breath...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nobody knows anything, then everyone should shut up&#8230; which works for me&#8230; and by extension anyone trying to sell that nothing should be horse whipped&#8230; which also works for me. </p>
<p>And if the only people who know anything are the audience, why are you reading a blog by an industry professional?</p>
<p>Now, you take a deep breath&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christian H.</title>
		<link>http://www.unknownscreenwriter.com/character-theme-plot-part-2/screenwriting/2008/12/09/comment-page-1/#comment-37069</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, everyone. Let&#039;s all take a deep breath and remember what William Goldman says,

NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.....EXCEPT THE AUDIENCE


I added that last part, but true it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, everyone. Let&#8217;s all take a deep breath and remember what William Goldman says,</p>
<p>NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING&#8230;..EXCEPT THE AUDIENCE</p>
<p>I added that last part, but true it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure hope not, because there&#039;s a word for people who try to sell &quot;how to&quot; books without the professional experience to support their theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope not, because there&#8217;s a word for people who try to sell &#8220;how to&#8221; books without the professional experience to support their theories.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kassin Fried</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Kassin Fried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that was entirely called for.  If I was a published author, who&#039;s also interested in screenwriting, I might be trying to drive traffic to my &lt;a href=&quot;http://dkfwriting.wordpress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;, which in turn drives traffic to my &lt;a href=&quot;www.upsanddownsbook.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;book&#039;s website&lt;/a&gt;, where I might sell a few copies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that was entirely called for.  If I was a published author, who&#8217;s also interested in screenwriting, I might be trying to drive traffic to my <a href="http://dkfwriting.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">blog</a>, which in turn drives traffic to my <a href="www.upsanddownsbook.com" rel="nofollow">book&#8217;s website</a>, where I might sell a few copies.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if I was an un-produced screen writer I&#039;d spend more time writing a blog for my protagonist and getting into her head by writing from the POV of her everyday life, instead of adding more meaningless theory to a subject already flooded with well intentioned but misguided opinions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if I was an un-produced screen writer I&#8217;d spend more time writing a blog for my protagonist and getting into her head by writing from the POV of her everyday life, instead of adding more meaningless theory to a subject already flooded with well intentioned but misguided opinions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Kassin Fried</title>
		<link>http://www.unknownscreenwriter.com/character-theme-plot-part-2/screenwriting/2008/12/09/comment-page-1/#comment-37025</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kassin Fried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clive,

While your points are well taken, I think you&#039;re incorrect that there is no point handing out screenwriting advice until your movies have been made and shown.  

Consider that, just as Gottard&#039;s &quot;genius&quot; was actually the byproduct of his financial and/or technical circumstances, so too was Orson Welles&#039; &quot;genius&quot; the byproduct of his technical inexperience.  He just didn&#039;t know that you just can&#039;t do that, so he said &quot;Let&#039;s do it,&quot; and was fortunate enough to have a DP who was good at problem solving.  

So just because I haven&#039;t had a movie made doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t have anything to say.  Remember, some of the worst teachers are the people who are (or were) successful at whatever they&#039;re trying to teach, because they try to get you to do it their way.  People who were never successful don&#039;t have that problem, but if they&#039;ve watched a lot of movies and read a lot of scripts then they know the form well enough to have a valuable insight.  

Recently I posted a blog about being &lt;a href=&quot;http://dkfwriting.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/addicted-to-the-formula/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;addicted to the formula&lt;/a&gt;.  I wonder, to what extent are the best movies a product of filmmakers with tons of experience, versus movies like Citizen Kane or  American Beauty that were made by experienced storytellers who were making their first movies?  Isn&#039;t it possible that your knowledge and experience can be a liability?  Can&#039;t there be an advantage to being outside the tiny little box Hollywood puts itself in?

I&#039;m not advocating not getting experience, all I&#039;m saying is that the people who haven&#039;t had their films made offer a valuable perspective - that of the outsider, who is closer to the audience than the filmmakers themselves, but is still articulate at expressing problems, trends, and themes in the film.  It doesn&#039;t mean that they&#039;re right, but it doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re wrong, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clive,</p>
<p>While your points are well taken, I think you&#8217;re incorrect that there is no point handing out screenwriting advice until your movies have been made and shown.  </p>
<p>Consider that, just as Gottard&#8217;s &#8220;genius&#8221; was actually the byproduct of his financial and/or technical circumstances, so too was Orson Welles&#8217; &#8220;genius&#8221; the byproduct of his technical inexperience.  He just didn&#8217;t know that you just can&#8217;t do that, so he said &#8220;Let&#8217;s do it,&#8221; and was fortunate enough to have a DP who was good at problem solving.  </p>
<p>So just because I haven&#8217;t had a movie made doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t have anything to say.  Remember, some of the worst teachers are the people who are (or were) successful at whatever they&#8217;re trying to teach, because they try to get you to do it their way.  People who were never successful don&#8217;t have that problem, but if they&#8217;ve watched a lot of movies and read a lot of scripts then they know the form well enough to have a valuable insight.  </p>
<p>Recently I posted a blog about being <a href="http://dkfwriting.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/addicted-to-the-formula/" rel="nofollow">addicted to the formula</a>.  I wonder, to what extent are the best movies a product of filmmakers with tons of experience, versus movies like Citizen Kane or  American Beauty that were made by experienced storytellers who were making their first movies?  Isn&#8217;t it possible that your knowledge and experience can be a liability?  Can&#8217;t there be an advantage to being outside the tiny little box Hollywood puts itself in?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating not getting experience, all I&#8217;m saying is that the people who haven&#8217;t had their films made offer a valuable perspective &#8211; that of the outsider, who is closer to the audience than the filmmakers themselves, but is still articulate at expressing problems, trends, and themes in the film.  It doesn&#8217;t mean that they&#8217;re right, but it doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re wrong, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I love this. I believed I mentioned in Part 1 that I use theme for individual characters complete with &quot;theme&quot; music. The overarching &quot;thesis&quot; usually encompasses each character&#039;s motives but they can also stand alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I love this. I believed I mentioned in Part 1 that I use theme for individual characters complete with &#8220;theme&#8221; music. The overarching &#8220;thesis&#8221; usually encompasses each character&#8217;s motives but they can also stand alone.</p>
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