Always ask for a referral…

Another slew of email I’ve been getting recently is the same old tired, “Unk, how do I get an agent?” The email then goes on to complain that of course they can’t get an agent because no agents will talk to them and yada yada yada.
It gives me a fucking headache every time I fucking read it.
Since I’ve been getting so many of these emails and actually taking the time to answer them, I’ve decided to simply recreate those emails in a simple post.
Then I’ll convert it to a PDF and upload it to the download section. Then from now on, I can refer all email to that document.
Ah… Relief.
So for those of you — and there are many — who’ve received my email about this very same subject…
Nevermind.
I’m just gonna throw all the spaghetti up against the wall… Do with it what you will. Some of you will gobble it right up — some of you will cringe.
Why?
Because by and large, screenwriters are a shy bunch. They don’t want to sell. They want the screenplay to speak for itself and in a perfect world…
You know.
Let me also qualify this by saying that this is how I did it… It worked for me. I believe it can work for you.
- Query letters… Should you or shouldn’t you?
You should but not very much. LOL. Why? Because every screenwriter in the world is sending a query letter and unless you can really do something exotic to make your query letter stand out from the pack — fughedaboudit. There are ways to do this of course… I’ve seen screenwriters go to the trouble of having a really nice movie poster made up about their screenplay as if the movie’s already been made. Find some high school or college photoshop expert to create one for you and spend some bucks to have some made to send out as your query.
Let the producer see your idea and they might just want to read your idea.
But back to query letters…
The reason I’m not a huge fan of them is because I’ve seen literally thousands of them thrown away in front of my eyes.
Oops!
That’s right — without ever being opened.
Does that mean you should never send out a query letter? Of course not but let there be a pecking order to the madness.
Obtain a subscription to the Hollywood Creative Directory online. Not the book. Get the online subscription. If it’s too expensive, find some other screenwriters to split the cost with. You’ll all benefit.
Next thing to do is find producers that make or have made movies in the same genre as your screenplay. Work your ass off on a very smart query email. It’s gotta be catchy. I always had great success by coming up with a good subject line because that’s what they’re going to see in their inbox.
Of course it helps if the query email is just as strong… Before you actually send out a query email or letter however, I highly recommend browsing through all the following books and make some notes:
Or buy ‘em. In fact, these books can even help improve your screenwriting… Nothing like a strong power word or phrase in an action line but I digress…
If you can’t get a good email address to make your query, use the telephone — but before you do that, you need to have your logline and pitch down pat just in case… Might I make another suggestion?
Good.
Pick up this book too:
Once you’ve been through all the above books, you’re ready to put your query email, letter, logline, and pitch together… No, I’m not gonna go through that. I assume you’re all great wordsmiths and can pick this stuff up reasonably well. I will say that once you go through these books, I think you’ll actually be more excited to start making queries…
Remember… Nobody else is doing this stuff. 99% of all aspiring screenwriters are sending query letters out with self-addressed postage-paid postcards asking the producer to checkmark a box or line.
YAWN.
Practice your word of mouth logline and pitch on a few people that you know are going to give you some straight feedback.
Okay so you’re makin’ query emails, letters, and telephone calls, right? You’re selling your spec with everything you’ve got and the producer says, “Sure, go ahead and send it to us.”
And you do.
Now what?
I used to wait no longer than a month unless it was during the Christmas and New Year season… Then I’d wait a month and a half. If it was an email query, go ahead and send a new email asking if they’ve had a chance to read your script yet. If a query letter or telephone query, try calling them back and asking the same thing.
Remember… This is not the time to be shy. Of course you’re probably gonna get the old, “We ejoyed your writing but we’ll have to pass.”
If that’s all you hear (or some variation thereof), be sure to ask them if they’d be willing to read another one of your specs. If they really did like your writing, they will say “Yes.” If they didn’t like your writing, they’ll probably say something like, “We’re not really looking for new material right now.”
No problem.
Ask for a referral. That’s right. Hit them up-side the head and ask them for a referral. Producers are normally very nice people. Remember, they want good material. They need good material. You have good material, right?
Right.
Ask for a referral because trust me… Very few — if any — spec screenwriters are asking for a referral. Remember, everybody else is busy sending query letters and postcards.
You’re asking for a referral.
Such as…
- “Can you recommend a good agent or manager?”
- “Can you recommend a producer who might be interested in my script?”
You’re hitting them up-side the head with the first question… Trust me. And, being the very nice people that they are — they want to help you. So if they really did like your writing, you can probably count on roughly 50% of the producers you were actually able to send your script to give you a bonafide referral to an agent or manager.
If they don’t give you a referral, they either:
a) Didn’t read your script or had someone read it and give them coverage
b) Didn’t like your writing
But you’ll very likely never know for sure so who gives a shit?
Now if they do give you that referral, you want to immediately follow that referral up with one more very important question…
- “Can I mention your name?”
If the referral wasn’t bullshit and like I said 50% of the time it won’t be — they will very likely say, “Sure, go ahead.”
The second question is a little trickier…
This question doesn’t do nearly as well in getting a referral as the first question does but it is worth asking none the less. If they are really nice people which most producers certainly are, then they very well might know of another producer who’s looking for good material. So, if your script does in fact represent good material, they might just give you a referral to another producer that you can send your script to.
If they do… What question do you ask?
That’s right…
- “Can I mention your name?”
Again, if they really did like your writing and they’ve given you a bonafide referral, they are not going to mind if you use their name. This is probably where I should mention that I always used their name even if they didn’t say I could. LOL.
Hey… You gotta go with your gut. My gut always said, “Use the name.”
Timeout for a true story…
I sent a producer a script a few years ago. I was actually able to contact this producer personally via email. He liked my email query and told me to send the script to him which I promptly did.
I waited a month and called him back — talked to his assistant. The assistant told me they loved the script but had to pass… Now of course, I was talking to this guy’s assistant but still, I asked for a referral, “You think Mr. So and So knows any producers that might be looking for a script like mine?”
The question hit her up-side the head and she actually held her hand over the phone (I could tell) and asked said producer if he knew of another producer that might be interested. Said producer wasn’t happy (I could tell), so he gave her a name to give me and this particular name was even more well known than said producer’s name.
I said, “Thank you very much and does said Producer mind if I use his name?”
I heard laughing as he said, “Tell him to go ahead and use my name.”
Of course it turns out that said producer was pulling my leg and hopefully the leg of the producer he referred me to but as it turned out, the referral producer was really nice and is still a friend of mine to this day and is always willing to read anything I write.
The point here is that you just never know with this business… Shit can turn to gold in a heartbeat. The only problem with that is that gold can also turn to shit in a heartbeat too.
But isn’t that what makes life so Goddamn fun?
You betchya.
Okay so now you are a bunch of querying screenwriters… Email queries, letters, and telephone calls. You’re following up with yet another email or telephone call. You’re sending out screenplays and asking for referrals. You’re turning right around and sending out more screenplays and asking for more referrals.
You’re building up a network of contacts is really what you’re doing and you can in fact do this from just about anywhere in the world. I’m not saying that you should not move to Smallywood — all I’m saying is that you have no more excuses if you can’t.
If you’re reading this post, you are very likely connected to the Internet somehow… Right? You’ve heard of Google, right? Well every time you add a name to your list, time to start doing your homework on that person. Head on over to Google and start googling. Find out as much as you can about that producer. You can find out every movie he or she’s made by going over to IMDB and typing in their name. Scroll through those movies and see if anything sticks out… You might find a lot of the same names on the same movies. Good information to know. In fact, you can often find names of other producers they co-produced with.
See where this is headed?
Google the name of both producers together and see what comes up. You might be surprised at what you find… LOL. I know I have.
You might find that said producer eats at a particular establishment. You might find that said producer drives a particular kind of car. Maybe you can find some interviews they’ve done. Maybe said producer owns a huge interest in a do it yourself lumber milling machine.
You just never know…
Am I telling you to stalk said producer? Of course not. Googling isn’t stalking is it? In other words, you build up a dossier on this producer. I like to use Open Office so I can include links to articles or web sites and convert that document to a pdf with a click of the mouse.
As you’re performing your research on these producers, certain “things” about them or people they know might pop up make you think this is something really important… If so, set up a Google Alert about that…
Why do you do all this?
Because. Because you’re building a network list and you want to know as much as you can about these people you want to do business with especially if they’ve read your work. Especially if they’ve given you a referral.
Because now you’re going to use that information to help you get your foot even farther into that door. Once a producer has read your work and or given you a referral, you owe them. You should be sending thank you cards, anniversary cards, birthday cards, etc. If you’ve been communicating via email, and you found something during your research that you really think said producer would be interested in and you happened to creat a Google Alert about that certain something, guess what? Said producer might be very happy to get that information from you.
True stories…
I queried a producer and found out via research on the web that this producer was trying to make a movie and had gone through quite a list of actors to play the lead. This was before Google Alerts but I still read the trades all the time and one day, I found out that a certain actor was dropping out of a movie and quickly emailed said producer the information and preceded the information with a simple, “Thought you might be interested in this…”
Said producer actually called me up on the phone and thanked me personally. Said producer likes to know what I’m working on. Said producer and I have gone out for a few beers.
I once sent a producer a birthday card and this producer called me up and asked me if I wanted to go out and have a drink with him. Turns out I was the only person to remember his birthday. Did I go out and have a drink with him?
You betchya.
I sent a producer a gift basket of fruit one time for being so nice to me… Somehow, my trusty screenwriter business card found its way inside the gift basket. Turns out Mr. Producer’s wife decided to become an agent. Guess who she called first after she pulled out the pineapple?
Bottom line? You keep your name in front of your entire network list. No, you do not bombard them with phone calls, cards, letters, and emails…
You use your head.
Think.
Show some class.
Do unto others.
Keep a log of all your querying for every screenplay. Every time you query, make a log entry. Don’t query the same producers with the same material. That’s why you keep a log. Sounds obvious right? Then why does it happen so often? LOL.
At least half of the queries I’ve ever done in my life got the attention of the producer and either they or their assistant or secretary contacted me and said to go ahead and send them the script. At least half of those producers always replied back and said they liked the script but it just wasn’t something they were interested in but would be happy to read anything else I might have.
That’s the response you want.
When you get that response, it’s at that time, you contact that producer and ask for a referral. Again, most screenwriters are too shy and introverted to ever do something like this so doing it makes you stand out. You want to stand out! You want to come off hungry and wanting to submit something to them that they’d be interested in but you don’t want to come off like a stalker.
Now go forth and query.
Unk
EDIT: One last thing about letters… Sure, go ahead and send them “if” you can’t get an email and the telephone isn’t working because hey… That’s all you gots. Don’t bother querying agents and managers. They are notorious for tossing queries. Remember Cuba Gooding Jr. in Jerry Maguire i.e., “Show me the money?” Just change that line to, “Query the money.”
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Once again Unk, thanks for passing on the golden knowledge to us less fortunate screenwriters. Great advice, and as always, I truly value all of this guidance you doll out.
Thanks for the tips and true stories.
It’s funny though, that so many screenwriters are just too damn shy to break out of their shells and risk a little rejection. They are so comfortable in their world where they can tell their co-workers they write movies, and wear their Writer’s Store ‘writer’ emnroidered ball cap. LOL.
Remember guys and gals, unless you really take that risk and take that tough step of putting yourself to the test, nobody’s ever going to read your script because you’ve not tried to sell them on it. So many screenwriters I know, they sit around complaining how they can’t sell anything, can’t get an agent, blah blah blah. But when I ask for a list of who they’ve pitched or tried to query, and the list doesn’t even get counted to the ring finger. You’ll never sell a script if nobody knows what you’ve written. And when I tell them that they grumnble under their breath.
Oh well, more chance for me!
Again Unk, thanks for the wisdom and pretty soon I will have to start calling you Master Yodunk.
Scottie screenwriter
I have to say, I’m not shy, heh-heh.
Scottie…you nailed it me lad.
RYAN falls to his hands and knees — bows in front of his COMPUTER.
Chanting.
Ryan
Master Yodunk! Master Yodunk! Go Pats!
Aaahhh!
That did work the way I wanted it too.
Son of a Bitch!
So Unk, can I use your name?
Heh-heh. I can’t believe no one else hit that joke before me - LOL!
First you must complete the Quest for a Name Unuttered. To retrieve Unk’s Name from the Unknown Mountain, you’ll have to slay the Dragon of Ignorance by demonstrating that you’ve learned the Virtues of Screenwriting and know the difference between Good and Bad Writing. Then and only then will the Shining Gem of Unk’s Name be yours to use as you please.
But, anyway, this article is what I came here to spread. Umberto Eco’s take on Casablanca’s narrative.
Scott,
My pleasure…
Got a couple of emails from Producers saying, “Great, now everyone will be asking for a referral.”
If that’s not a confirmation it works, I don’t know what is… LOL.
Josh,
We know you are definitely NOT shy… And sure, you can use my name… LOL.
Ryan N.,
Where’s Utah again?
Elver,
Ah… Casablanca. THE PERFECT MOVIE. Can’t wait to canoe the DariĆ©n Gap with Robert McKee…
Oh yeah… That’s bullshit.
Unk
I agree that most writers are TOO GODDAMN SHY for this business. How can you be shy if you are sending out your heart and soul to the world?
Can you say juxtaposed?
Force yourself to ask questions on the blog. It’s unfair to take advantage of UNKs good nature to bombard him with emails when he will respond to everyone who posts ON THE BLOG.
Excuse me all, but it gets really frustrating hearing about people who are too shy to have an opinion. You will never be a produced writer unless you put yourself out there.
I MEAN WAY OUT THERE!
It’s OK if people don’t agree with you. That’s what studying is for. You can then explain yourself using standard terminology.
I have read so many luminaries, parts of my brain shut off at the strangest times.
JUST MAKE NOISE. YOU CAN’T BE WRONG. THERE IS NO RIGHT ANSWER. ONLY YOUR VISION. If you’re true to your demographic, you will always come up with something that people will want to see.
Instead of looking at the whole, look at the parts: the scenes. Each scene should standalone but also have a direct relationship to the scenes around it.
Go to the mall and just listen to people. Go to a bar and do the same thing. Hospital, bank, office, etc.
Oh yeah and don’t forget to read, read, read. Read books on acting, books on directing, books on cinematography.
If you can talk to an agent in his language, he’ll know you’re serious. A good example is I had a prodco give a read. They didn’t want the script but wanted me to send them more.
It’s the same with an agent. Write from your heart. Don’t write just to make a sale. Agents will be more apt to sign a person with two scripts and the ability to define his vision using industry terms than a writer with 50 scripts but no “cinematic vision.”
Anyway,
Keep writing as writing is the revealing of the soul.
disclaimer: I know nothing. Nothing. I would include a grain of salt but the Internet isn’t there yet.
Elver,
Estonia? Nutty.
If were I you, why I’d just start up an email screenwriting group. Send each other each other’s work. Find some IRC channel or something everyone’s comfy with, possibly GAIM, and viola. Screenwriting Group.
Just don’t go out of your way to tell people that you’re Estonian.
Where the Hell is Estonia? Why do I picture a place where a healthy portion of the population hunt wolves?
Estonia. Wasn’t Encino Man Estonian?
Yeah, he was.
Buh-dee
Ryan N, you keep on keepin’ on and soon enough this gibberish will become like a souped up bio-mechanical body armored, super suit. You’ll ooze dis junk, mon.
Take it from(insert tranformer transforming sound)a fellow transforRmYAN.
Ryan, series R! build 2.08
I’m a little shy!, but I have to say this post really hit home. Sometimes we really need to take a step back and wonder “What the hell am I afraid of?” Rejection? Hell, I’ve been rejected by people, places and things hundreds of times over and never thought about not attempting to do those people, places or things all over again. So why then am I worried about a complete stranger finding my screenplay lacking? And as you said, it’s all about building contacts.
I like the suggestions and plan to put them to use. Like, today.
Thanks.
Estonia was the country run by Groucho Marx in DUCK SOUP . . .
Joshua,
It was Feedonia. And Groucho was Rufus T. Firefly.
Love the Marx Brothers.
Keep Writing!
D’oh!
LOL!
LMAO
I couldn’t tell ya.
If I were to drive out of the state, I would NOT be able to find my way back… LMAO
Damn! Fat-fingered my response to you, Joshua. Not Feedonia, but FREEDONIA.
Regards,
Hey Unk!! Nice to read you, as always.
Have a good one, ’till laters…
Sounds to me like you got an email obsession. Just have to read them, right, sport? You’re like the clown who’s always checking his cell while he’s pretending to listen to you….
Sounds to me like you have an email obsession. Just have to read them, right sport? You’re like the clown who’s checking his cell while he pretends to be listening to you….
JaneyRuth,
LOL. Email obsession? Hardly. I simply try to answer visitor’s questions since they are nice enough to visit…
After looking at your web site:
http://janeyruthsscreenplays.blogspot.com
I think I can safely say YOU know what an obsession is even though you got it wrong HERE and that WE now know what your obsession is.
Thanks for the duplicate comments… Sport. Maybe you’re COMMENT OBSESSED?
Unk
I’d watch her films!
Unk,
Matt Hader (another screenwriting blogger) turned me on to your blog. I’ve put together a fun web site for screenwriters (sort of a Christopher Guest mockumentary of screenwriting) at http://www.screenplaywire.com . Can I send a web cam along on one of your pitch meetings?
Gary
Enjoyed your the read and your advice. Read it fast with smiles.
Thanks
Just stumbled onto your site - nice … I’m in Sonoma County - a hotbed of screenwriting (yuk). If anyone is not too far away - I’d like to get together & talk - movies, scripts, etc.
TK